tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post2016642260234993030..comments2024-03-26T22:42:06.412-07:00Comments on TAG Blog: Artists and Writers: So Who's Doing the Work, Genderwise?Steve Huletthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05537689111433326847noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-22076832285214360492007-05-12T16:50:00.000-07:002007-05-12T16:50:00.000-07:00"the reason there are fewer minority/female writer..."the reason there are fewer minority/female writers and artists in the industry is because fewer minorities/females WANT to be in it. "<BR/><BR/>"This might be correct, but without any sourcing or statistics to support your claim, it's hard to take your assertion seriously."<BR/><BR/>Yes, because without utterly biased media statistics, there can be no validity to my theory.<BR/><BR/>The "proof" that the reason there aren't more women/minorities in animation is simply because they don't want to be is that if they WERE, the numbers of them would be higher.<BR/><BR/>The fact is, with VERY rare exceptions, if someone wants to do something, they find a way to do it and make it happen (see "The Pursuit of Happyness"). Race and sex-based discrimination is pretty much obsolete in a competitive marketplace.<BR/><BR/>Sure, bigotry still exists, but usually greed wins out over prejudice... and the companies/people out there who still make decisions based on gender or race biases wind up losing out in the long run for their antiquated opinions.<BR/>Same goes for people who only hire their "buddies"... if they suck, their productions suffer and everyone eventually winds up paying for such shortsightedness.<BR/><BR/>The only people who still perpetuate the myth of the "boy's club" are either people who love to feel like victims or organizations that love to PREY on people who love to feel like victims.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-61940840292824853752007-05-12T14:52:00.000-07:002007-05-12T14:52:00.000-07:00Some jobs get earmarked culturally as "male". For...Some jobs get earmarked culturally as "male".<BR/><BR/> For a brief(VERY brief) period in the history of commercial art women were as represented as men--both in art schools and as employed for magazines. Men still took precedence, earned more, and got more jobs, but there were quite a few women. I guess one bIg reason women were part of commerical illustration at all was that art was relatively genteel as a trade, and so that heyday for females was about 1900-early 30s. It tapered off in the 1940s and especially postwar. Suddenly it was odd and weird again for a woman's name to be at the bottom of a magazine cover--and then photography took over. Most of those were male, too. Please don't tell me that the reason there were more male fashion photographers than female in 1950 was because women didn't WANT to do it. It was because a woman's place, my friend, was as seen on TV. Men "needed" jobs. Women in america were expected to get married to those men and raise families at home.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, at some point as established by the hiring practices of the largest studio, Disney, animation--the inheritor of illustration--became a "man's job". Women were told they couldn't be considered for the best postiions. There were only women in ink and paint, the most dull(if technically demanding)job in animation. The pay stank. No one had a long term job.<BR/><BR/>I don't buy that women don't want to do animation, but frankly, although clearly some guys feel that everywhere they look there's rampant promotion of women & minorities for "diversity", supposedly unfairly hired and/or promoted, that fact is that the like begets like, men hire their friends, and their friends tend to be other men. The fact that "bias" isn't intantional doesn't mean it doesn't exist if only by a kind of inertia.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-50525381389922680372007-05-12T10:17:00.000-07:002007-05-12T10:17:00.000-07:00the reason there are fewer minority/female writers...<I>the reason there are fewer minority/female writers and artists in the industry is because fewer minorities/females WANT to be in it. </I><BR/><BR/>This might be correct, but without any sourcing or statistics to support your claim, it's hard to take your assertion seriously.<BR/><BR/>I mean, we know fewer minorities/women want to get into the business how? Because you say so? Because you've talked to some people and have some anecdotal evidence? What?Steve Huletthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05537689111433326847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-51600538597255640762007-05-12T09:16:00.000-07:002007-05-12T09:16:00.000-07:00i've never seen a producer turn a qualified artist...<I>i've never seen a producer turn a qualified artist or writer away based on their race or gender. if anything, i've only witnessed the opposite... i've seen people get hired PURELY to add 'diversity' to the production despite their sub-par work.</I><BR/><BR/>I've never seen anyone hired despite sub-par work due to their gender or race, but I <I>have</I> seen it happen when the "sub-par" artist is friends with someone on the production.<BR/><BR/>As for the whole thing about minorities and women not being interested in getting into animation...maybe. <BR/><BR/>I once talked to a class of jr. high kids who were non-white about getting into animation, and the thought that they could draw cartoons for a living apparently hadn't occured to them. Different cultural influences is all I can figure.RedDiablahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06632173887505994233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-91598806883953397472007-05-12T05:25:00.000-07:002007-05-12T05:25:00.000-07:00stories like these are such bullshit. should studi...stories like these are such bullshit. <BR/>should studio recruiters infiltrate schools and hold guns to the heads of so-called "minorities" and women and FORCE them to have an interest in writing or art?<BR/>the reason there are fewer minority/female writers and artists in the industry is because fewer minorities/females WANT to be in it. <BR/>the market is so competitive right now that productions couldn't afford to be discriminative if they wanted to. i've never seen a producer turn a qualified artist or writer away based on their race or gender. if anything, i've only witnessed the opposite... i've seen people get hired PURELY to add 'diversity' to the production despite their sub-par work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-23181725165179292762007-05-11T09:38:00.000-07:002007-05-11T09:38:00.000-07:00The median ages are older than I expected.It seems...The median ages are older than I expected.<BR/><BR/>It seems that there are more and more younger women artists that are getting into the industry, however. If they choose to move up the career ladder into more leadership positions, I wonder if the gender ratios would change.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com