tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post2896345639104679219..comments2024-03-29T02:18:35.303-07:00Comments on TAG Blog: DD Finds New Revenue Stream .. Students!Steve Huletthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05537689111433326847noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-12117590618006737702012-03-30T15:04:50.470-07:002012-03-30T15:04:50.470-07:00They do the same thing at MIT. Nobody seems to bot...They do the same thing at MIT. Nobody seems to bothered by that. Labwork for credit. Textor didn't invent this idea. Sounds like he's making it easier for VFX companies to stay here. He didn't invent the pressures that are sending this industry overseas either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-38442434593872455102012-03-30T12:45:40.612-07:002012-03-30T12:45:40.612-07:00http://www.canadiananimationresources.ca/wp-conten...http://www.canadiananimationresources.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/MoneyComic_Web1.jpg<br /><br />ddiablonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-57881696105732675112012-03-29T22:07:04.758-07:002012-03-29T22:07:04.758-07:00An issue that is not being raised in the articles ...An issue that is not being raised in the articles associated with this issue is how the students are receiving loans that amount to over 100k and creating enough incentive for private companies to want to access it. <br /><br />When someone wants to get a loan they typically go to a bank or other lending institution. The bank will ask some basic questions as to how much you want to borrow and what will be done do with it. Based on this and other information at its disposal, like success rates for the intended use of the loan based on past like minded loans made. The bank will assess the risk profile and will charge enough interest to cover said risk or deny the loan outright if deemed unwise.<br /><br />In the case of education, the intended use of the loan is knowledge the vast majority of this end use is not collectable if the person who receives the loan cant or will not pay back the loans after the case. The lender would be out of their capital in such a situation. Ask yourself, would you want to make any loans directly or with your retirement funds to any random prospective animation/VFX student based on the likelihood in the industry today of being the one who makes it?<br /><br />Fortunately the government guarantees student loans and also makes them non dischargeable in bankruptcy. This allows Banks to not have to worry about risk and to make loans despite the likelihood of ones ability to pay them back. This also frees the educators to also charge whatever pie in the sky charge they can and still fill a classroom. The animation industry is far worse than others in this regard since young kids will do anything to be able to make a videogame or movie and are being sold on the dream. Without the having the life experience to properly assess the risk vs. reward of this decision and with a culture that promotes education, any education, no matter the cost. <br /><br />This story ultimately is about one group of people having their futures stolen from them by arms length education system or the direct employer. The students are going to be fleeced by one of these two groups. If the government gets out of student loans and makes them dis chargeable in bankruptcy. The banks will have to make the loans based on their merit. The talent pool will no longer be diluted, the amount of schools will adjust to appropriate levels.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-84311992435240893552012-03-29T21:29:54.698-07:002012-03-29T21:29:54.698-07:00"since Textor said this, not only he's ma..."since Textor said this, not only he's making himself look bad, it's going to make the company look worse."<br /><br />They don't need his help. But now their getting it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-64817401788804899882012-03-29T21:09:39.710-07:002012-03-29T21:09:39.710-07:00jester says: You know it's really nice to see ...jester says: You know it's really nice to see a animation studio that is not in California. It's good that Florida is having one ..... but since Textor said this, not only he's making himself look bad, it's going to make the company look worse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-46770462411964386032012-03-29T19:30:12.262-07:002012-03-29T19:30:12.262-07:00This guy is a scum bag, but it's no reason to ...This guy is a scum bag, but it's no reason to bash on Florida. You act like everyone in California are angels.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-73158518206680135322012-03-29T19:05:22.492-07:002012-03-29T19:05:22.492-07:00This is a bad idea. A very VERY bad idea.
And I w...This is a bad idea. A very VERY bad idea.<br /><br />And I was excited about having a big studio in Florida again... *sigh*Floridian Animatornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-30249426921105542732012-03-29T16:55:34.846-07:002012-03-29T16:55:34.846-07:00jester says: Never trust a studio that lives in a ...jester says: Never trust a studio that lives in a state where it's shape like a penis!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-68643188251221051262012-03-29T10:29:24.237-07:002012-03-29T10:29:24.237-07:00unfortunately all studios are doing this. if they ...unfortunately all studios are doing this. if they aren't using slave labor from overseas, they are using (student) slave labor here. and using the desperation of people in this horrible economy against everyone. greed rules now a days. very sad.<br /><br />and most edu institutions are a scam now. :( they are all about the money..not about educating. again, very sad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-71847229236531353742012-03-29T10:03:34.533-07:002012-03-29T10:03:34.533-07:00It just shows, you've got to compete on qualit...<b>It just shows, you've got to compete on quality, 'cause you can't compete with cheap. There's always someone who can out cheap you.</b><br /><br />Brilliant!Steven Kaplanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13630148057269319887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-50043995380925957562012-03-29T10:02:33.832-07:002012-03-29T10:02:33.832-07:00As a student, I find this ridiculously disgusting....As a student, I find this ridiculously disgusting. Won't be seeing this Dumbo rip-off.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-85168097855927467202012-03-29T08:57:36.841-07:002012-03-29T08:57:36.841-07:00Sleazy.
Whatever happened to an honest day's ...Sleazy.<br /><br />Whatever happened to an honest day's pay for an honest day's work?<br /><br /><br />I would ask who they think they can get of professionals who would teach and train and mentor (and fix all the problems) there. But I'm sure in this economy they can find people willing to train their cheap replacements.<br /><br />A DD-credit will (and should) be worth much less now, since it's now a pay-to-play house. A diploma mill where you can buy a credit or sell your fellow artists down the river.<br /><br />It just shows, you've got to compete on quality, 'cause you can't compete with cheap. There's always someone who can out cheap you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-90128631396767403302012-03-29T08:53:08.045-07:002012-03-29T08:53:08.045-07:00There's also chatter on Cartoon Brew:
http://...There's also chatter on Cartoon Brew:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.cartoonbrew.com/cgi/digital-domains-john-textor-brags-to-investors-about-exploiting-animation-student-labor.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cartoonbrew.com/cgi/digital-domains-john-textor-brags-to-investors-about-exploiting-animation-student-labor.html</a>Steven Kaplanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13630148057269319887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-70993453708166058152012-03-29T08:05:47.494-07:002012-03-29T08:05:47.494-07:00Thank you so much for posting this. I emailed and ...Thank you so much for posting this. I emailed and posted it everywhere I could think of when I saw it. It is absolutely exploitation at it's worst. I for one will not be seeing Tembo when it comes out.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02153995703618648905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-46387412195927856572012-03-29T05:39:05.260-07:002012-03-29T05:39:05.260-07:00Our industry has been changing fast and this is no...Our industry has been changing fast and this is nothing revolutionary, but studios, (all) studios are rapidly trying to find ways of reducing costs. Either by working outside of Los Angeles or creative relationships like those in Vancouver or using more of the cg plethora of kids coming out of the cg schools everywhere. It doesn't surprise me if you've really been watching where out industry has been going in the last several years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-16260548408495016532012-03-28T22:56:26.508-07:002012-03-28T22:56:26.508-07:00This is DISGUSTING. I, for one....will be boyc...This is DISGUSTING. I, for one....will be boycotting Tembo, and any other film DD puts out.<br /><br />And the fact that he boasts about it? The guy is batShit crazy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-57940113621078490722012-03-28T20:00:56.327-07:002012-03-28T20:00:56.327-07:00wow, trainwreck...wow, trainwreck...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-33132463535465341792012-03-28T19:59:36.698-07:002012-03-28T19:59:36.698-07:00Do the students get credit for making DD a billion...<b><i>Do the students get credit for making DD a billion dollars?</i></b><br /><br />Probably not, because Digital Domain has <a href="http://animationguildblog.blogspot.com/2009/06/viz-effx-business-model.html" rel="nofollow">never turned a profit</a>, much less made a billion dollars.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-48499938694480810892012-03-28T19:20:05.839-07:002012-03-28T19:20:05.839-07:00John Textor is a scumbag. And of course, it's...John Textor is a scumbag. And of course, it's florida--where he's only one of many. Do the students get credit for making DD a billion dollars? <br /><br />DD is down for the count anyway. Until they can prove they can create content, they're nothing but just another service company. And not a particularly good one, either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com