tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post5646822952362625584..comments2024-03-26T22:42:06.412-07:00Comments on TAG Blog: Good To Be LovedSteve Huletthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05537689111433326847noreply@blogger.comBlogger78125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-14680771186399176022009-08-22T12:04:21.674-07:002009-08-22T12:04:21.674-07:00AnimationNation is not the voice of the industry ,...AnimationNation is not the voice of the industry , nor does it represent the industry in any way . The owners extreme paranoia, constant attacks , uncontrollable self destructive behavior , all these speak of a bi polar mental disorder fueled by a Jim Jones like ego. Exactly why is this Guild indulging and encouraging this behavior by posting responses to him ? This post should be deleted as it feeds an ill man who is jumping around screaming " Please pay attention to me ! "Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-65834844791474455942009-08-21T17:41:59.326-07:002009-08-21T17:41:59.326-07:00If you think you can deal with him you are the be...If you think you can deal with him you are the best judge but , that whole "Hi , I'm Charlie the good , NOW I'M CRAZY CHARLIE !!!! " thing . Add the union hating thing . . . nah . Someone should secretly feed him valiums . =)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-34986567354283774012009-08-21T17:08:39.631-07:002009-08-21T17:08:39.631-07:00I do work with the schools too. But not all studen...I do work with the schools too. But not all students are aware of what we're doing at the ASIFA-Hollywood Animation Archive yet. (For that matter, many pros don't know either.) I can go to the meeting without validating hostility. As Kevin has said, when you are in front of him, Charles is a pussycat. It's only behind the keyboard at two in the morning when he goes ballistic.Stephen Worthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01047366337202801862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-26868654518684125682009-08-21T13:27:46.697-07:002009-08-21T13:27:46.697-07:00Why not go to the actual schools to teach Stephe...Why not go to the actual schools to teach Stephen ? Animation Mentor or on your own thing ? Validating someone , clearly full of so much hostility towards so many , is that fair to the students ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-17444186129690461752009-08-21T12:06:24.589-07:002009-08-21T12:06:24.589-07:00These meetings aren't just Charles. Dozens of ...These meetings aren't just Charles. Dozens of kids- students of animation- attend as well. They're well meaning and interested in learning. I'm not going to write them off.<br /><br />I just wish the subjects of the meetings covered animation topics instead of business theories and axe grinding. That stuff seems misguided and petty to me.Stephen Worthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01047366337202801862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-85651117958040864912009-08-21T04:12:03.285-07:002009-08-21T04:12:03.285-07:00Exactly Kevin. You made every effort , it is time ...Exactly Kevin. You made every effort , it is time to let Charlie and his site go. Honestly , I hold no ill will, he , it , is just irrelevant . My own stupidity in posting there is what I regret most so don't think it's a criticism , I'd give anything to get that time back. I hope no one else makes that mistake.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-60975077026610293732009-08-20T23:39:09.364-07:002009-08-20T23:39:09.364-07:00My guess is that most artists...especially the one...My guess is that most artists...especially the ones that have no use for Chuck and his ilk...have better things to do than masturbate in public or watch Chuck do so. I guess SW has nothing better to do...? Maybe CZ should go and try and find some real work instead of earning money off of kids that are desperate. When was the last real job CZ had in the biz - that he didn't get fired from and actually finished instead of leaving a mess for someone else to clean up?<br />He definitely follows the saying: those that can't do, teach.<br /><br />Even if I had the time I wouldn't waste it on his disgusting rhetoric. Whoever made the comparison to Bill-O was right on the mark. What a bag of gas.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-60120558566874164062009-08-20T23:05:14.717-07:002009-08-20T23:05:14.717-07:00Don't forget your sketchbook!Don't forget your sketchbook!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-37535915118463886732009-08-20T21:37:14.292-07:002009-08-20T21:37:14.292-07:00I'm going. If it turns into a bitch fest, I...I'm going. If it turns into a bitch fest, I'll get to take the opportunity to find out if that meteor shower is still going on.Stephen Worthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01047366337202801862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-16771742283029769422009-08-20T19:37:07.749-07:002009-08-20T19:37:07.749-07:00This is kind of a Bill O'Reilly-esque challeng...This is kind of a Bill O'Reilly-esque challenge: if you have a problem with me, come to MY venue, with a sympathetic-to-me-audience, and give MY event a bigger audience and a shot at credibility.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-33537250619078247862009-08-20T19:20:44.342-07:002009-08-20T19:20:44.342-07:00What a weird theme for an AN meeting. "Hey, ...What a weird theme for an AN meeting. <i>"Hey, I'm going to invite all the people I've chased away and pissed off, the ones who don't read this site anymore, and when they don't show up, I'll stand at the podium and rip on them some more. Come eat pizza and watch me melt down in person!</i>"<br /><br />Does Chuck really expect Amid to fly in from New York? Or Kevin Geiger from China? Or Brewster from wherever? Maybe Antran and Stephen will show up with their sketchbooks? Are Steve Hulett and Kevin K. willing to waste their time on this? Are any of the scores of real animation professionals that Charles has driven away?<br /><br />Nope. The odds are higher that Greg B. will show up and use his fabulous network of family and close personal friends to cure cancer.<br /><br />Hey, here's an idea, Chuck - why don't you do what you promised, and start that new improved union?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-59600760193603103352009-08-20T18:43:58.727-07:002009-08-20T18:43:58.727-07:00That site shouldn't be called 'Animation N...That site shouldn't be called 'Animation Nation,' it should be called 'Alien Nation.'<br /><br />Charles and his sidekicks have alienated everybody who is anybody, plus there often seems to be more discussion of aliens, ufos, and conspiracy theories than anything related to the animation industry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-40402094501633480062009-08-20T14:15:00.494-07:002009-08-20T14:15:00.494-07:00Charles posted this at Animation Nation:
The next...Charles posted this at Animation Nation:<br /><br />The next AnimationNation Night is right around the corner, Tuesday, August 25, and we have a great idea for doing something very unique in the community. Some folks out there have had a chip on their shoulder about us for many years, and you can bet they never show up at any AN function. Instead, they spend their time and energy badmouthing us in private email chains and at blogs that aren't managed at the level of professionalism that's a trademark of AN's forums. So here's an open invitation to any and all who have a problem with us.<br /><br />Just show up and we'll give you the podium at the Realtors Hall in Burbank, so you can tell everybody how you feel about us. Come on out from behind your computer monitor and engage the community like a human being with a backbone. Share your grievances. Let's get this out in the open so you can get over it and put the silliness behind us once and for all.<br /><br />Pizza and fried chicken, soda pop and water, mmmm... and $3 wil get ya going with the food, $5 will keep ya going.<br /><br />This is the 6th AN Night in a row coming up, and they've all been a lot of memorable fun. Join us this month as we continue to network, explore, meet new people, and groove with the move. Come on by, let's get caught up and prepped for Disney's Paul Felix who'll be with us next month in September!<br /><br />AN Night @ 2006 W. Magnolia Blvd. in Burbank 91506<br /><br />Look for the upstairs hall of the Burbank Association of Realtors.<br /><br />Doors open @ 7pm, first pizzas around 7:45. <br /><br />See ya there... Keep Creating!Paul Burrowshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02423241437016431567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-18422099885373211202009-08-17T21:31:38.216-07:002009-08-17T21:31:38.216-07:00Chuck thinks Beowulf is beautiful to look at.
Eno...Chuck thinks Beowulf is beautiful to look at.<br /><br />Enough said.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-13660419476987265262009-08-16T16:24:52.273-07:002009-08-16T16:24:52.273-07:00Yes,I understand.Yes,I understand.Vincent Wallerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03505903461868673973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-74132314040125101092009-08-16T15:20:09.662-07:002009-08-16T15:20:09.662-07:00As a rule I try not to say anything online that I ...<i>As a rule I try not to say anything online that I wouldn't say to someone's face.</i><br /><br />Vincent, I don't know you (though I love your work), but I respect your approach, and try to live by the same code. What's been difficult for me to grasp regarding Animation Nation is that Charles does <i>not</i> live by that code. <br /><br />For years I've patiently dealt with the overt hostility and mistrust he (and others) have thrown at the union on his website, and then been disarmed by how pleasant, thoughtful, and reasonable he is in person. He has never, ever been less than pleasant and supportive in person. So I'd always be stunned when, weeks or months after a long thoughtful conversation in person, he'd blindside me with snark and misinformation about the Guild. And never once did he take even two minutes to contact me to clarify if some crazy rumor he'd heard was true. He'd just go on a rant, always couched in this holier-than-thou guise of caring about the artists.<br /><br />I continually made it a point to include Charles and the AN community in the public events of the Guild, I invited him twice to be on General Membership meeting panels, I dragged friends to the annual April 1 meeting, and went out of my way to make nice. It was never enough. I've been blindsided by his double standard one too many times. I now take what he writes at face value and as the true reflection of the man.<br /><br />So it's a great code to live by, but I understand why some people want to remain anonymous regarding those who don't live by that code. The personal attacks get old, and not all of us have Stephen's patience.Kevin Kochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03106628232118096961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-29302303871912149862009-08-16T07:42:20.060-07:002009-08-16T07:42:20.060-07:00Vincent Waller = CharlesVincent Waller = CharlesAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12346816445768591980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-77619875022844695502009-08-16T01:56:14.313-07:002009-08-16T01:56:14.313-07:00Thanks Steve.
Anon, First I don't think my na...Thanks Steve.<br /> Anon, First I don't think my name carries any more weight than anyone elses. My name and three bucks will get you a cup of coffee.<br />As a rule I try not to say anything online that I wouldn't say to someone's face.So my theory is, if you'd say it to their face, then you might as well post your name to it. <br /><br />It really isn't my place to play hall monitor, and I know that. But I've seen the pain that these round robin attacks have caused for more than one of my friends, and in reading these, I had a reaction.<br />I'm not a friend of Charles and haven't posted on his site in at least four years. But I will say, whether you think he's crazy or an asshole, or whatever, he has the courage to own his view point, like it or not, and to sign his name to it.Vincent Wallerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03505903461868673973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-68271594111792229182009-08-15T22:45:22.467-07:002009-08-15T22:45:22.467-07:00>>>Vincent doesn't tiptoe. He just is...>>>Vincent doesn't tiptoe. He just isn't afraid to stand up. Admirable trait<<<<br /><br />"...I've disagreed with Charles on a few subjects over the years..."<br /><br />Yes, you are so right what strong convictions and condemnations of Charles Z. I can see whay you admire him. <br /><br />I still say he might have actually said something of note if he went anonymous, but because he didn't you got this 'scathing attack' and an attempt to derail the discussion about people who sign statements with real merrit anonymously.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-55921510964972233432009-08-15T18:22:23.534-07:002009-08-15T18:22:23.534-07:00Vincent doesn't tiptoe. He just isn't afra...Vincent doesn't tiptoe. He just isn't afraid to stand up. Admirable trait.Stephen Worthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01047366337202801862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-22848350633538418952009-08-15T18:19:12.244-07:002009-08-15T18:19:12.244-07:00Animation Nation is still a forum that a lot of st...Animation Nation is still a forum that a lot of students participate in. They're the reason I'm still there. I can talk over the top of the noise and still reach the audience.Stephen Worthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01047366337202801862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-40142961997179557982009-08-15T17:23:16.214-07:002009-08-15T17:23:16.214-07:00I've not had the same dislike for Charles that...I've not had the same dislike for Charles that many on here seem to have. Although, I have to admit, in the last several months, I'm starting to think Charles may be insane. I'm not trying to be funny. I really think the guy has some problems and needs to seek help. He has chased practically everyone off his site and seems to pick fights in every thread. Sad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-39961494228435294402009-08-15T15:51:08.433-07:002009-08-15T15:51:08.433-07:00Oh yeah , and get their damn link off this blog ! ...Oh yeah , and get their damn link off this blog ! Jesus !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-47147328589802835392009-08-15T15:45:18.793-07:002009-08-15T15:45:18.793-07:00Why are you talking about these people at all ?! S...Why are you talking about these people at all ?! Stop inviting them to the Tag parties , stop kissing their behinds ! Cut all connections , erase this thread and get your butts off that stupid site ! They hate the union ! Get it? What is it you are not grasping ? Your membership is here, not there !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-56579625217380503752009-08-15T14:33:53.748-07:002009-08-15T14:33:53.748-07:00It's like trying to argue politics with the &#...It's like trying to argue politics with the 'Birthers'. They know what they know and if you show them evidence that contradicts their knowledge then you're obviously lying. <br />I used to support Charles and AN and contribute heavily in words and coin and now I refuse to even go ...especially after he used the board as a soapbox for his homophobic ramblings and other 'born again' preaching.<br /><br />It's hard to take the man serious knowing that he is virtually unhirable in the industry and yet he makes a living 'teaching' foolish young artists and wannabes how to make in the industry he detest (and destests him) so much.<br /><br />The reason why I post anonymously here is because (as was suggested earlier) I feel my thoughts don't need my name attached to be taken seriously and there are mutual friends that don't need to know how I feel about someone they may or may not agree about as well as the fact that any smart lawyer will tell you never put anything into writing regardless of what you're saying...so the next best thing is to be anonymous. Even frivolous lawsuits that you can win are still draining and no thoughts put forth in a blog are worth it. I could post using my name, like Vincent, but I'd feel the need to tiptoe aroiund my real thoughts - like Vincent is probably doing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com