tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post2181289112952558603..comments2024-03-26T22:42:06.412-07:00Comments on TAG Blog: Never Let That Film Genre In Here AgainSteve Huletthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05537689111433326847noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-1396543555443738502010-11-23T18:37:18.192-08:002010-11-23T18:37:18.192-08:00Tangled is now at 88% on RT with 51 reviews. I see...Tangled is now at 88% on RT with 51 reviews. I see a trend developing.<br /><br />As good as it may be, I don't see it reaching the freshness ratings of TS3 (99% with 246 reviews) or Dragon (98% with 156 reviews). It's probably going to be closer to Princess and the Frog (84% with 155 reviews) or Bolt (89% with 175 reviews).<br /><br />I wouldn't be surprised if the box office is also closer to PatF and Bolt. I don't see Tangled coming anywhere close to TS3 numbers, let alone Dragon. Given the cost of this film, that's going to really piss off Iger.<br /><br />Maybe there's a grain of truth to the LA Times story, if Tangled doesn't pull off a box office miracle.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-57094061656864677752010-11-23T16:03:59.970-08:002010-11-23T16:03:59.970-08:00Tangled is currently at 93% at Rotten Tomatoes, wi...Tangled is currently at 93% at Rotten Tomatoes, with 40 reviews in so far.<br /><br />Outstanding!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-12773301927677107472010-11-22T18:46:50.952-08:002010-11-22T18:46:50.952-08:00Floyd Norman said...
"Okay, it's only my...Floyd Norman said...<br /> "Okay, it's only my opinion but I'd like to see Don Hahn back at the helm. Dr. Ed and John have more than enough to do at Pixar. Don's got the smarts and the political savvy to take charge and launch another golden era."<br /><br />John has stretched himself too thin. His heart is in Pixar and while he has done great things at Disney improving the quality of their films. Without someone completely dedicated to the studio it will continue to leak money and have bomb after bomb. I have to say I was quite miffed when John took on Cars 2 as co-director. It just shows that he's willing to put his own projects in front of the ones he's getting paid by Disney to watch over. I'd like Don Hahn partnered with someone else to run Disney. It could do wonders.<br /><br />Anonymous said...<br /> "Unless, of course, turns out it was never really a bell in the first place, and someone was just banging on a cracked pot."<br /><br />The boy who cried wold is Hollywoods best manipulator. In other words it doesn't matter if any of it is true or not. At this point it's on everyones mind and has impacted the image of Disney Animation and Tangled, good or bad.CLOCKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-89592043168841997702010-11-22T18:18:33.016-08:002010-11-22T18:18:33.016-08:00It's really gonna be hard to un-ring this bell...<i>It's really gonna be hard to un-ring this bell.</i><br /><br />Unless, of course, turns out it was never really a bell in the first place, and someone was just banging on a cracked pot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-34513873581299082652010-11-22T18:02:38.919-08:002010-11-22T18:02:38.919-08:00Ditto.Ditto.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-2995215414141280382010-11-22T17:40:36.899-08:002010-11-22T17:40:36.899-08:00Sounds good to meSounds good to meAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-26369944257564543452010-11-22T17:23:15.847-08:002010-11-22T17:23:15.847-08:00Okay, it's only my opinion but I'd like to...Okay, it's only my opinion but I'd like to see Don Hahn back at the helm. Dr. Ed and John have more than enough to do at Pixar. Don's got the smarts and the political savvy to take charge and launch another golden era.<br /><br />Like I said, it's only my opinion.Floyd Normanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08635960964922892254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-22780151833711509172010-11-22T17:10:10.360-08:002010-11-22T17:10:10.360-08:00i'm with the dummies -
Well then, Floyd, I g...i'm with the dummies - <br /><br />Well then, Floyd, I guess we're ALL so dumb we have to ask who you meant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-79154137745029826222010-11-22T15:40:10.971-08:002010-11-22T15:40:10.971-08:00The amount of spin and misinformation in these art...The amount of spin and misinformation in these articles make me feel like Im in The Twilight ZoneAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-49504110843072390562010-11-22T15:00:27.531-08:002010-11-22T15:00:27.531-08:00If Tangled is a hit..that bell will be un-rung imm...If Tangled is a hit..that bell will be un-rung immediately.<br />IF Tangled is a hit...<br />...if not then they have one more arrow in their quiver as to what went wrongAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-22495398342584108542010-11-22T14:26:47.822-08:002010-11-22T14:26:47.822-08:00Yahoo home page.
http://blog.movies.yahoo.com/b...Yahoo home page. <br /><br />http://blog.movies.yahoo.com/blog/177-disney-will-stop-making-princess-movies-because-boys-think-theyre-icky<br /><br />It's really gonna be hard to un-ring this bell.Bob and Rob Professional American Writershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13273869278815498283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-10954299518283380742010-11-22T14:20:30.129-08:002010-11-22T14:20:30.129-08:00Now that the "silence" order has been li...Now that the "silence" order has been lifted, let's be honest about Princess&Frog: Outside of the gorgeous scenery, it didn't look like M&C's heart was in it.<br />The setting, while new, had zero to do with the original ED Baker story that was pretty thin to begin with; the script had thrown out 90% of the book, and what was left looked...improvised. (Even defenders of the film cringed a little at the obligatory Looney-tribute cameo by Pa & Junyer Bear.)<br />The post-Eisner attempt to convince us that Tiana WASN'T REALLY a princess, and wanted to work hard like a Positive Role Model, got in the way of her natural appeal and stripped her of her marketable personality (all she basically <i>did</i> was talk about her restaurant)...And while M&C usually excel at male protagonists, here "agendas" required that the prince be a less-than-sympathetically lazy bum, to go with the equally propagandic comedy relief to show little girls the Perils of Princess Worship.<br /><br />In other words, P&tF just had TOO MANY danged other things on its mind than telling a story in its own environment...Which story focus <b>was</b> the appeal of the aforementioned Other Hit Fairytale from 18 years ago.<br />That's not the reason Frog fell at the box office, of course (kill Alvin!), and yes, the rumor's a big fat busted crock--But as 12:57 points out, WDFA seems to be their own worst enemy in thinking they have to spin twice as hard to pretend to be what they're not. Imagine what kind of films they could make if they ever found out the audience <i>liked</i> them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-3437592371952074402010-11-22T13:35:34.981-08:002010-11-22T13:35:34.981-08:00Naturally, Disney wants to have it both ways. They...Naturally, Disney wants to have it both ways. They've made a stellar princess movie - but they don't dare admit it.<br /><br />They've gone down this road before. Remember when "The Hunchback of Notre Dame" was marketed as a wacky "join the party" frolic.<br /><br />800 pound gorilla continues to operate in fear. It's pathetic, really.Floyd Normanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08635960964922892254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-70070762115293012232010-11-22T12:57:11.856-08:002010-11-22T12:57:11.856-08:00The revisionist history that is going on here is a...The revisionist history that is going on here is amusing to read. Ed and John came in, scrapped most of what had gone into Rapunzel, and mandated that it be a Disney princess musical (in the Rapunzel fairy tale, she is not the child of the king and queen, but born of pathetic commoners -- Disney made her a classic princess). <br /><br />Then, once irrevocably down that production path, Ed and John freak out, and try to expunge the evidence that it's a princess musical from the marketing. I didn't see any hint that she was a lost princess, that she had a crown, or an evil stepmother in any of the marketing. The music in the trailers couldn't be more different than the actual songs and music in the film. What story was revealed was much, much more about Flynn, the adventurous thief. And when the LA Times reports this, we get the typical corporate denials.<br /><br />Having read the hype, and seen all the trailers, I was surprised just how much of a princess fairy tale this really was, and how much of it reminded me of The Little Mermaid and Aladdin and Snow White and Sleeping Beauty. There's nothing wrong with that, at least from my standpoint, but it's obvious that to Ed and John there IS something wrong with that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-47165735510502932952010-11-22T12:05:30.181-08:002010-11-22T12:05:30.181-08:00In the last 18 years Disney has released only two ...In the last 18 years Disney has released only two fairy tales (with the same directors) . The first a great film and a box office success, the second one the uninspired PatF, but this time alongside John Lasseter <br /><br />>>>Catmull said he and Lasseter have been encouraging filmmakers to break with safe and predictable formulas and push creative boundaries.<<<<<br /><br />This is said by the same people who greenlighted Bolt.<br /><br />>>> "We're saying, 'Tell us what's driving you.'"<<<<br /><br />And after this, the directors get fired and replaced.Derricknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-84127807401390439402010-11-22T10:50:25.153-08:002010-11-22T10:50:25.153-08:00Well then, Floyd, I guess we're ALL so dumb we...Well then, Floyd, I guess we're ALL so dumb we have to ask who you meant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-51649967622125938432010-11-22T09:58:23.454-08:002010-11-22T09:58:23.454-08:00My colleague and friend, Peter Emslie speculated m...My colleague and friend, Peter Emslie speculated my choice might be Brad Bird. No, that's not who I had in mind. Brad is a talented writer-director, not a studio manager. That's a big difference.Floyd Normanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08635960964922892254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-56332009815849249262010-11-22T09:49:14.665-08:002010-11-22T09:49:14.665-08:00AND James Bond 007. (And the hyped-up Halle Berry...AND James Bond 007. (And the hyped-up Halle Berry one at that.)<br />And a surprising sudden word-of-mouth wave for Santa Clause 2, which the studio had expected to be crushed by the competition, out of theaters and on its way to video by the third week.<br /><br />Not sure which of the three Disney had expected Planet to beat, but when the three existing hits came in ahead....<b>HORRORS!</b><br />But it was Eisner's historic bad move of pulling it out of release before the end of December (as a peace offering to the stockholders quarterly) that first demonstrated to studios how much money family films really made on Christmas-vacation week.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-32227887296685574972010-11-22T09:06:39.056-08:002010-11-22T09:06:39.056-08:00Treasure Planet was released two weeks after the s...Treasure Planet was released two weeks after the second Harry Potter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-57734879829177371762010-11-22T08:25:59.473-08:002010-11-22T08:25:59.473-08:00Ya know, if Disney released their films where they...Ya know, if Disney released their films where they wouldn't compete against heavy hitter franchises, we wouldn't be in this mess.<br />Hell, 2D animation wouldn't have died if they've done that. Didn't Treasure Planet go up against a Star Wars prequel or something?Alex Dudleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03153348263827559073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-66241695907530479562010-11-22T08:07:43.570-08:002010-11-22T08:07:43.570-08:00I dont think the damage has been done. 90% of the...I dont think the damage has been done. 90% of the movie-going public rely on word of mouth, Rotten Tomatoes, or their kids insistence on seeing the movie, not some LA Times article.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-76807837833965625662010-11-21T23:47:23.772-08:002010-11-21T23:47:23.772-08:00The question, again, is how did we GET it in the f...The question, again, is how did we GET it in the first place?<br />If Disney didn't "plant" the doom story as the first poster suggested, why was the LA Times so eager to pursue it as if they <i>wanted</i> it to be true?<br /><br />Again, it's the mystery that simply <b>nobody</b> understands why Princess&Frog disappointed at the box office (ahemalvintar)--And, by coming up with wild chicken-entrail theories, believe they can "tame" such mysterious unexplained disasters by causing them to happen again under the exact same single set of laboratory circumstances.<br />In this case, the reporter grabbed one interpretation, got it into his head that, aha, 'twas <i>fairytales</i> that killed the beast, and waved his magic wand to predict that Tangled would be the exact same disaster because his reasoning had declared it so.<br />Too bad reality didn't quite work out that way yet, but with a little judicious misquoting, you can still bluff to make it look like people agree with you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-46277371956592825082010-11-21T23:39:06.754-08:002010-11-21T23:39:06.754-08:00Sadly, the damage has been done. On Twitter, virt...Sadly, the damage has been done. On Twitter, virtually every tweet regarding Tangled is in reference to that article.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-71427141060597896452010-11-21T22:25:11.975-08:002010-11-21T22:25:11.975-08:00This is a below average article that does nothing ...This is a below average article that does nothing but take out of context quotes and spin them into sensationalized propaganda. If anything it comes across as an attempt to build up buzz for the author or la times itself and bring in revenue through page hits. <br /><br />It's poorly written and just repeats itself throughout each paragraph. I'm glad Ed decided to respond to the article as it has been thoroughly blown out of proportion.Jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-65435671889119647002010-11-21T20:52:40.045-08:002010-11-21T20:52:40.045-08:00Told ya:
http://www.facebook.com/Disney?v=wall
Dis...Told ya:<br />http://www.facebook.com/Disney?v=wall<br /><b>Disney A headline in today’s LA Times erroneously reported that the Disney fairy tale is a thing of the past, but I feel it is important to set the record straight that they are alive and well at Disney and continue this week with Tangled, a contemporary retelling of a much loved story. We have a number of projects in development with new twists that audiences will be able to enjoy for many years to come. - Ed Catmull</b>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com