tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post5388251435887519331..comments2024-03-29T02:18:35.303-07:00Comments on TAG Blog: Of Negotiations and Job/Salary CutsSteve Huletthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05537689111433326847noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-63323894844945012702009-02-16T16:18:00.000-08:002009-02-16T16:18:00.000-08:00Job salaries for companies all over America. It's ...<A HREF="http://www.jobnob.com" REL="nofollow">Job salaries</A> for companies all over America. It's a good place to get this type of information.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-2074986853282626812009-01-30T01:46:00.000-08:002009-01-30T01:46:00.000-08:00> The word is out there that there> was some...> The word is out there that there<BR/>> was some "survey" done between<BR/>> major animation studios<BR/><BR/>Not just a "survey". The powers-that-be meet with each other on a regular basis to compare notes. A practice which they of course discourage their employees from indulging in. ;-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-76918222249744829612009-01-23T15:05:00.000-08:002009-01-23T15:05:00.000-08:00Doesn't matter about whether you're good or bad. ...Doesn't matter about whether you're good or bad. There's a flood on the market and the jobs are scarce.<BR/><BR/>Also being an asshole doesn't help you find a job either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-23415654549064705472009-01-23T13:27:00.000-08:002009-01-23T13:27:00.000-08:00Iger made $30 million this past year. Disney axed ...Iger made $30 million this past year. Disney axed 600 jobs yesterday. I wonder where they could have scrounged up the money to keep people employed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-75419665015985743532009-01-22T23:04:00.000-08:002009-01-22T23:04:00.000-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-92019802259982442612009-01-22T19:21:00.000-08:002009-01-22T19:21:00.000-08:00quote: It seems like something they should be invo...quote: <I>It seems like something they should be involved in to prevent wage collusion. I personally think this type of survey should be, or maybe is illegal.</I><BR/><BR/><BR/>Law Novice, that is an excellent question.<BR/><BR/>There is no debate that the survey was done. I am also no expert on the law, so I would appreciate any informed input someone could bring.<BR/><BR/>My guess, and this is purely a guess, is that simply sharing and collecting wage information between companies in and of itself is not collusion. Actual collusion would involve a tacit agreement to cap or lower wages--in other words, proof that the companies <I>acted</I> on the information in a coordinated fashion. This might be a little hard to prove.<BR/><BR/>There is circumstantial evidence: shortly after the survey was completed, we saw a quick move by multiple survey-participant studios to lower or freeze their wages. Disney announced a wage reduction of 18%, Dreamworks announced a wage freeze.<BR/><BR/>In addition, several of the studios (at least three) have entered into a tacit "non-poaching" agreement. Their respective recruitment departments have agreed not to approach working animation professionals, but rather, to wait for the professionals to approach <I>them</I>. This is to avoid any bidding wars like in the mid-90's, which would tend to drive wages up.<BR/><BR/>Anyone know if any of this is illegal?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-46915523651409418682009-01-22T16:00:00.000-08:002009-01-22T16:00:00.000-08:00Wanna talk about fun? I just finished my grad degr...<B><I>Wanna talk about fun? I just finished my grad degree and am just starting to look for a job.<BR/><BR/>Yeah...tons of fun...</I></B><BR/><BR/>If you're good, you have nothing to worry about.<BR/><BR/>If you're not...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-50192004377330991412009-01-22T13:31:00.000-08:002009-01-22T13:31:00.000-08:001. small group of smart people find niche to explo...1. small group of smart people find niche to exploit, work very hard for very little money for a long period of time, their work and efficiency finally pays off and they hire ten people.<BR/><BR/>2. slightly larger group of people grow as large as they can within their market, face choice of inviting investors and borrowing larger amounts of capital. they do both.<BR/><BR/>3. company suddenly grows massively overnight, owners sell out, company hires hundreds of attorneys and thousands of people. company focuses on repressing competition to protect market share, invests less in innovation. fails to attract new talent with new visions.<BR/><BR/>4. massive company becomes too large to adapt quickly to market changes. younger, thinner competition emerges with talent that massive company would not hire due to lack of experience.<BR/><BR/>5. massive company goes bankrupt (or gets a bailout.)<BR/><BR/>wash, rinse, and repeat.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-2958971077735060262009-01-22T13:09:00.000-08:002009-01-22T13:09:00.000-08:00I fear I might have been guilty of being overly lu...I fear I might have been guilty of being overly lugubrious(10 cent word alert!).<BR/><BR/>The trend we should all hope to see is smaller hosues producing content for the big conglomerates. Its the logical solution to their failures running their studios.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-17789205661166150232009-01-22T12:50:00.000-08:002009-01-22T12:50:00.000-08:00Wanna talk about fun? I just finished my grad deg...Wanna talk about fun? I just finished my grad degree and am just starting to look for a job.<BR/><BR/>Yeah...tons of fun...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-8424624871617457372009-01-22T10:47:00.000-08:002009-01-22T10:47:00.000-08:00There's various forces at play regarding wages ......There's various forces at play regarding wages ... I mean, beyond "market forces."<BR/><BR/>1) If a union has "critical mass" in a market, it can aid in keeping salaries higher. If not, not.<BR/><BR/>2) TAG publishes an annual wage survey, accessible on the internet at www.animationguild.org (click on "contracts" then "wages"). <BR/><BR/>3) In my experience, studios try like hell to keep employees from sharing wage info, even though it's in violation of California labor code -- sections 232(a), 232(b) and 232(c), if you're interested.<BR/><BR/>I've gotten plenty of reports through the years from artists who have one-on-on-ones with managers who say "we'd <B>really appreciate</B> it if you would keep your salary to yourself."<BR/><BR/>When I've called managers on it, I get "well, as long as nobody takes us to court ..."<BR/><BR/>Fun, huh?Steve Huletthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05537689111433326847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-24627985794884259302009-01-22T09:47:00.000-08:002009-01-22T09:47:00.000-08:00The word is out there that there was some "survey"...The word is out there that there was some "survey" done between major animation studios, union and non-union on animator salaries (Disney Feature, Pixar, Dreamworks feature, Blue Sky and Sony Imageworks) So each of these studios could supposedly assess how much they pay their staff and adjust, generally downward. Does the union oversee this type of conversation at all? It seems like something they should be involved in to prevent wage collusion. I personally think this type of survey should be, or maybe is illegal. The free market will set prices properly without letting a studio's corporate ego come into play. Animators will take work at a studio when the price is right. It seems a bit wrong to hire someone, move them, get them settled in, and then adjust wages out from underneath them after talking with their competitors.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-17569338896155358762009-01-22T09:25:00.000-08:002009-01-22T09:25:00.000-08:00Well, I don't disagree with robiscus, but instead ...Well, I don't disagree with robiscus, but instead of focusing on what we can't change, maybe we just need to focus on what we can, such as:<BR/><BR/>keeping our skills sharp,<BR/>getting some training on relevant software to add to our skill set,<BR/>always having our eyes and ears on the job listings, keeping abreast on what's happening in the industry<BR/><BR/>I know a lot of people constantly doing this and its paid some dividends for them.<BR/><BR/>There are some jobs out there still. The big congloms do need to produce new shows, maybe not as many. The point is, they have to produce new shows. And they will have a need for artists.<BR/><BR/>rufus.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-24015502691552977062009-01-22T09:01:00.000-08:002009-01-22T09:01:00.000-08:00"Too big to fail" seems also to mean "Too big to s..."Too big to fail" seems also to mean "Too big to succeed."<BR/><BR/>Obviously some exceptions exist, but this seems to be the current reality.Steve Huletthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05537689111433326847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-82859202659721086122009-01-22T07:04:00.000-08:002009-01-22T07:04:00.000-08:00I hate to agree with a downer statement but I must...I hate to agree with a downer statement but I must say I do. Things are tightening up and will continue to do so. Some of these media giants are profusely bleeding and the smaller companies are holding their own. They do have the challenges of getting past the media giant gate keepers, but with smaller more rounded staff they are survivors. They may not make as much as the large studios but in other ways they may be more rewarding like a lengthier term or more optimism about going into work. The state of animation has been in a serious state of change for the last 6 years. not sure when it will settle out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-45225012244654797622009-01-22T00:39:00.000-08:002009-01-22T00:39:00.000-08:00I wish I could light a candle rather than curse th...I wish I could light a candle rather than curse the darkness, but I can't. My personal opinion(and one which any and all are free to disagree with) is that this is not going to get better but worse.<BR/><BR/>The super huge and totally ineffective conglomerates that dominate our media have been proven ineffective. They rule by committee, and in doing so they lack any real vision. Their hierarchy is clogged with tiers upon tiers of expensive middle management and they have proven for nearly the past decade that they cannot create enough decent content to make a profit. Sure they come close with a hit here and there for every four or five dozen tries, but its getting just a little worse every year.<BR/><BR/>You'd think that some small studios would be there to fill the gap for Time Warner, Disney, and Viacom ... but they won't. Because those three companies OWN nearly all of the channels and in owning them their policy is not to show anything on those channels that they don't own entirely.<BR/><BR/>They can't produce the best content because they are too big to cultivate it and they won;t show content produced anywhere else. This is where media deregulation has brought us. A stale dead end.<BR/><BR/>I know this is a dreary drum to bang. I'm sorry. There just isn't a single benefit to the employees from this media conglomerate clusterbang that we are stuck with. Not one single benefit to it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com