tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post6539409891769066650..comments2024-03-26T22:42:06.412-07:00Comments on TAG Blog: An Exciting New Concept, Except Not ReallySteve Huletthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05537689111433326847noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-37847560768393617322010-06-26T17:45:23.559-07:002010-06-26T17:45:23.559-07:00I don't know where some people have had their ...I don't know where some people have had their internship experiences, but mine were all quality internships. One was at $24/hr doing production work with a credit and the other was $14/hr doing production support work. Both were at top non-union studios and both led to contract based work following the internship.<br /><br />If you are only qualified to as an intern to a PA then fetching coffee may be the least of your worries on the job. <br /><br />Some studios are smarter and better equipped than others, and I have been at places where top leads and supervisors take a few hours a week offering critique, talks, and presentations. There are also departments at the same places where other interns may sink into complete obscurity (usually the coffee runner internship positions). <br /><br />No two internship positions are ever created equally, not even at the same studio. <br /><br />But internships are still excellent opportunities for students as they provide an easier foot in the door (skill and reel requirements are much, much lower compared to actual non-internship positions), future professional contacts, and a chance to prove oneself as well as a chance to find out if the studio atmosphere is a good fit for the student. <br /><br />As for full time employees who also teach, it can be tough but there are those who do it. They either take a brief sabbatical / leave for 3 months, or they teach night classes after work. These days with online-only mentorship programs like animation-mentor, the instructors don't even have to leave the comfort of their own homes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-87748046071307172082010-06-26T16:53:09.998-07:002010-06-26T16:53:09.998-07:00Ignoring and punishing all Gnomon students for hav...<b>Ignoring and punishing all Gnomon students for having the Studio available for them to utilize as a class credit, or not, is petty. </b><br /><br />welcome to the real world.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-74739368648622699612010-06-26T10:46:04.032-07:002010-06-26T10:46:04.032-07:00Anon June 26, 2010 10:26:00 AM
You must be loosin...Anon June 26, 2010 10:26:00 AM<br /><br />You must be loosing your sight in your old age, or you have very poor observation skills. <br /><br />You really think that interns don't get abused fetching coffee?<br />I'm sure this doesn't happen everywhere... but it happens way more than it should. <br /><br />So please tell me, how does filing , copying, and assisting a PA help a student who wants to be an animator? <br /><br />"directors or the heads of departments have plenty of time to give mock assignments to teach the interns" You are right , the director and leads don't have the time... but some of the seasoned artists do... This mentor-ship idea is being utilized with great success at some of the largest studios.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-84145601731940405812010-06-26T10:36:31.756-07:002010-06-26T10:36:31.756-07:00What did they do for Green Lantern?
They did Pre...What did they do for Green Lantern? <br /><br />They did Pre-Vis. that is all. <br />it's not in the final film.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-74423213234102910092010-06-26T10:26:45.758-07:002010-06-26T10:26:45.758-07:00LOL...sure the teachers at Gnomon work 40+ hours a...LOL...sure the teachers at Gnomon work 40+ hours aweek and still have all the time necessary to teach. If you say so...<br /><br />Interns don't take work away from PAs because interns are used as a resource and an aide to the PAs. If you actually were a professional you would know that there are never enough PAs to do all the work necessary on a production, but you obviously feel that during the course of a production the directors or the heads of departments have plenty of time to give mock assignments to teach the interns. But I gueess that makes sense since you feel that professionals can work fulltime and teach as well.<br /><br />My guess if you weree only getting coffee and asswiping when you interned maybe that's all they felt comfortable letting you do...<br />In over 30 years in the industry I've never seen PAs or interns utilized for any of the things you've said you were made to do....<br /><br />If you're so interested in giving interns hands on creative experience feel free to have them join you on your lunch hour...<br /><br />Many of the interns I've been around seem to gain quite a biut from their time interning and move into real positions after they graduate and sometimes beforeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-53703721412097347282010-06-26T10:17:42.002-07:002010-06-26T10:17:42.002-07:00Anon June 26, 2010 10:03:00 AM:
You are assumin...Anon June 26, 2010 10:03:00 AM: <br /><br />You are assuming that the teachers at Gnomon are not full time professionals... I hope you realize that the majority of the teachers at Gnomon work full time at studios and teach because they want to.<br /><br />I have been in the industry for over 10 years, have two degrees and have done my part interning. Let me tell you, interning is a JOKE! As an intern, IF you happen upon a decent studio, the chances of getting to see "what really goes on" is very limited due to the fact that they have you "running" for coffee, lunch, ass wiping, dry-cleaning ... Isn't that the PA's job?!?! So why are you not crying out for all the poor PA's who have their work taken away by interns??? <br /><br />How internships should be handled is quite simple. Give the interns a mock assignment related to their craft and give them a mentor to get feedback from. TADA! the interns are doing creative work and gaining valuable experience without taking work away from the paid artists.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-54951521591768188702010-06-26T10:03:09.735-07:002010-06-26T10:03:09.735-07:00Hey doofus, interns gain valuable studio time and ...Hey doofus, interns gain valuable studio time and actually see and experience what goes on during a production as opposed to the fantasy they're fed in school. Not to mention the valuable face time they get with real professionals and not those that can't earn a living other than through teaching.<br /><br />If you don't think those reasons aren't enough to be an intern then don't apply for a position. But if you think that an intern is going to be allowed to do real creative work and take work away from a professional then you're a candidate for Gnomon's 'program' of abuse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-15600064580298946492010-06-26T09:23:57.271-07:002010-06-26T09:23:57.271-07:00"interns are not allowed to do real work. The..."interns are not allowed to do real work. They can do scutt work like filing and copying, etc. "<br /><br />so what's the point of interning then? If the students are only doing scutt work, and have no opportunity to gain real world experience doing work that actually relates to their focus, then what's the point? <br />there is none. <br /><br />I think we need to reinvent what it means to be an intern.. and allow students to not be ass wipers but rather part of the team.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-9791077629816549982010-06-25T11:12:29.913-07:002010-06-25T11:12:29.913-07:00Ignoring and punishing all Gnomon students for hav...Ignoring and punishing all Gnomon students for having the Studio available for them to utilize as a class credit, or not, is petty. <br /><br />Remember people, the Studio is a voluntary option to gain class credits. Not all the students choose to do this, and there is some AMAZING talent and resources at Gnomon. <br /><br />If the students choose to participate in the Studio, that is their choice, it may be a bad choice, but it's their choice nonetheless. I probably would not have opted into a class had it been available when I attended Gnomon, I was concentrating on my own personal work and reel and the studio would have taken away from that. <br /><br />Punishing all Gnomon students is not the answer. Rather we should try to educate them about the ramification of their actions... and the unintended consequences of doing cheap / free work..<br /><br />Recent graduates of ALL schools who take internships and jobs for low/no pay are hurting all artists across the board... this is not just a problem with Gnomon its a problem everywhere.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-75248024236662346762010-06-25T10:43:23.093-07:002010-06-25T10:43:23.093-07:00Well seeing how hard it is for a new artist to bre...<b>Well seeing how hard it is for a new artist to break in and from what I've noticed the union really doesn't help people get in in favor of helping those already in studios I don't see a problem with this. </b><br /><br />Then you are blind.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-3400158351147716052010-06-25T10:15:59.625-07:002010-06-25T10:15:59.625-07:00It was already explained here...unpaid interns are...It was already explained here...unpaid interns are not allowed to do real work. They can do scutt work like filing and copying, etc. Many also allow you to try things on your ownfor training purposes. If a studio has you doing REAL work you need to be paid for it. <br />Even the cheapest studio I've worked at understood this even to the point where if an intern was found to be working hard and even if they were still only being used for scutt work they still started paying him.<br />Gnomon sounds like it's in a class of it's ownAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-84269283852238142022010-06-25T09:55:40.035-07:002010-06-25T09:55:40.035-07:00Well seeing how hard it is for a new artist to bre...Well seeing how hard it is for a new artist to break in and from what I've noticed the union really doesn't help people get in in favor of helping those already in studios I don't see a problem with this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-24076066473492765952010-06-25T09:26:53.586-07:002010-06-25T09:26:53.586-07:00>>Yes you are all unduly suspicious, cynical...>>Yes you are all unduly suspicious, cynical and paranoid, as usual.<br /><br />From what I understand. the studio operates as a separate entity from the school, like the workshop. legally legit. <<<br /><br />What the *#&@ does this have to do with Gnomon undercutting other studios and getting a free workforce?<br /><br />Gnomon is double dipping. 1) Getting money from students, 2) getting money from the vfx work.<br /><br />Pathetic. <br /><br /><br /><br /><b>Maybe you should look at this way...</b><br /><br /><b>Gnomon is going to piss off other studios by doing the undercutting. Guess what.. These studios are going to stop hiring Gnomon students. </b><br /><br /><br />You don't think studio owners aren't going to be peeved? In an employer market (which we are), they may very well ignore the Gnomon students because of this. There are plenty of other fish in the sea.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-88615160414060778722010-06-25T08:10:12.847-07:002010-06-25T08:10:12.847-07:00so what you all are telling me is that it's wr...so what you all are telling me is that it's wrong to do an internship for class credits???<br /><br />I thought it was wrong to do an internship for no pay and no class credits... <br /><br />is this a union thing or a state law? <br /><br />Paid internships are very hard to find, most companies only offer internships for class credit only. Has been this way for decades in most creative industries.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-43144704729369725152010-06-25T06:27:06.587-07:002010-06-25T06:27:06.587-07:00Yep, it's a great idea ofr Gnomon. They can un...Yep, it's a great idea ofr Gnomon. They can undercut everyone else's bid because they don't have to pay their workers. And great idea for the company that takes advantage of this cheap bid<br /><br />Every studio should offer this great opportunity. Come work for us for free to get the experience you need to know that this was the stupidest thing you've ever done in your career. Then, no matter how littel you get offered on your next job, you'll feelo like you've hit the jackpot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-53243548120714887212010-06-24T22:12:12.383-07:002010-06-24T22:12:12.383-07:00Yes you are all unduly suspicious, cynical and par...Yes you are all unduly suspicious, cynical and paranoid, as usual. <br /><br />From what I understand. the studio operates as a separate entity from the school, like the workshop. legally legit. <br /><br />Working at the studio is voluntary. Graduates also work at the studio. The computers used for the work produced by the studio are in a different building from the school. I am pretty sure they also have licenses for all the software, as does the school.<br /><br /><br />Often times, these students having been turned away from studios due to not having feature work on their resumes need a resource such as the studio to gain the necessary experience. With growing competition for paid internships it's not a bad idea.<br /><br />That said, the work produced by the studio will be expected to maintain high quality work... we'll see.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-60155140410428629262010-06-24T18:53:28.675-07:002010-06-24T18:53:28.675-07:00isnt this what DD are planning to do in their new ...isnt this what DD are planning to do in their new florida facility?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-18714514504850528292010-06-24T14:53:34.793-07:002010-06-24T14:53:34.793-07:00I lost my very first internship to the union becau...<b>I lost my very first internship to the union because the production did not pay the minimum. I luckily gained a union job from it after some time, but the experience was not one I would want to repeat. The process was swift, unfair, and performed without consulting me, the person that earned the job. Neither side contacted me or had much time to devote to my predicament. </b><br /><br />Let me detail how these things usually go down.<br /><br />I get a complaint from a guild member at a union shop that a production assistant or intern is performing guild work.<br /><br />I call the studio and say "if this activity is going on, you gotta knock it off." Most times, they knock it off.<br /><br />OR a studio (like happened just today) calls me up and asks me "hypothetically" about interns doing guild work. I tell them they can't.<br /><br />In both cases, I'm reminding the studio of what is or isn't permissible and giving them the opportunity to follow through.<br /><br />Usually I don't have specific names of interns. I'm simply reminding the company about what's permissible.<br /><br />Nevertheless, I'm sorry that you became collateral damage to a studio breaking contract rules and me catching them.Steve Huletthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05537689111433326847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-82494185739407992662010-06-24T14:48:32.808-07:002010-06-24T14:48:32.808-07:00"visual effects" school?
cough...coug..."visual effects" school? <br /><br />cough...cough...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-49542901679182477642010-06-24T13:18:42.933-07:002010-06-24T13:18:42.933-07:00I lost my very first internship to the union becau...I lost my very first internship to the union because the production did not pay the minimum. I luckily gained a union job from it after some time, but the experience was not one I would want to repeat. The process was swift, unfair, and performed without consulting me, the person that earned the job. Neither side contacted me or had much time to devote to my predicament. I was not a priority to either party. It was an education, and I neither credit the union nor the employer for any of my successes today. You are on your own with these endeavors, students. Like most things in life. I recommend you do not piss off either the union or your prospective employers. You will have to work for both over the long term. They both exist for their own self interest first. You will have to find a balance between the two institutions. They are both asylums.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-72221100209222188962010-06-24T11:44:15.065-07:002010-06-24T11:44:15.065-07:00Overpriced? Like.....Animation Mentor, for example...Overpriced? Like.....Animation Mentor, for example?<br /><br />If the students will be working on shorts, there will probably be no profits from the films and barely any budget. The least they can do is "pay" the students with royalties, however, in case the films are marketed or developed in the future.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-50457791963176817472010-06-24T11:32:23.700-07:002010-06-24T11:32:23.700-07:00A Professional donating his time to a friend or fo...A Professional donating his time to a friend or for a the chance to work on something interesting is worlds away from students paying money for a school and then being used as free labor on a film that would normally have to pay a company for the work just so the student can get 'real life experience' and a good grade.<br /><br />I'd be curious if that wasn't illegal in some way...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-9803900537894067272010-06-24T11:18:38.766-07:002010-06-24T11:18:38.766-07:00Same situation as Chris Landreth's "Ryan&...Same situation as Chris Landreth's "Ryan" some years ago. It was done using the services of the students at Seneca College in Ontario. I don't remember any of you complaining back then. But the precedent was set.<br /><br />One thing that I want to point out, is that, many, many shorts are produced by animators donating their time for many reasons, including their friendship with the director. And the fact that shorts hardly make any money. And that an Oscar nomination is a long shot anyway.<br /><br />r.rnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-43923833805034096332010-06-24T10:42:02.803-07:002010-06-24T10:42:02.803-07:00Alex Alvarez and Gnomon have been money grubbing m...Alex Alvarez and Gnomon have been money grubbing monkeys from day one. It doesnt surprise me one bit that they would take advantage of students and using them for Free Labor. <br />And somebody brought up a good point... Aren't they doing commercial work on Educational licensed software? Autodesk and others I'm sure would be interested....<br /><br />Its an overpriced Hack school with sketchy morals... <br />Save your money.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-27638451104663702002010-06-24T09:55:15.408-07:002010-06-24T09:55:15.408-07:00Shane Acker apparently has no job offers, so he...Shane Acker apparently has no job offers, so he's parlaying his "oscar nominated" status into some leverage against those not familiar with show business. <br /><br />Why don't all those people who worked with him before just work for free now? <br /><br />Because they know better.<br /><br />If he's so awesome, why doesn't someone hire HIM?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com