tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post7101135943982087863..comments2024-03-29T02:18:35.303-07:00Comments on TAG Blog: Working for Free. Again.Steve Huletthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05537689111433326847noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-31557440998562583232010-08-23T11:37:01.268-07:002010-08-23T11:37:01.268-07:00Anon 9:40am -
We can't support our members, ...Anon 9:40am - <br /><br />We can't support our members, yet you're not giving examples. Typical troll venom. <br /><br />Initiation fees were described in another comment thread. Initiation fees are equal to two weeks of the wage minimum for a specific job classification. Typically, this ends up being somewhere in-between $1700 and $3300 USD. We ask for $635 down and the remainder to be paid over 6-9 months. Outrageous?! Hardly .. <br /><br />You say we offer no help to members to "stay employed" and in your next sentence, belittle our job posting emails. Nice contradiction! Any changes in communications to members of job postings were due to the companies who gave us the information. <br /><br />Since you know the number to the office, why don't you call and talk to me about your telephone dealings with the Guild. I'd love to correct any wrong doings you experienced. Or, you can always shoot me an email at this address <a href="mailto:skaplan@animationguild.org?subject=Anon%20Guild%20Member%20With%20Problems%20Calling%20Office" rel="nofollow">skaplan@animationguild.org</a>Steve Kaplanhttp://www.animationguild.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-74665392415048597102010-08-23T09:40:50.839-07:002010-08-23T09:40:50.839-07:00"TAG, please stay out of the Visual Effects p..."TAG, please stay out of the Visual Effects profession. How dare you pass judgement when you can't support your own.<br /><br />And you can?"<br /><br />We have to because you can't, even after that outrageous initiation fee with no help to stay employed. Your fake job listings and your joke of member support when trying to get info, especially when calling. How many times have you changed or retracted info you sent out via the web to your members.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-32992518389711012272010-08-20T17:13:42.036-07:002010-08-20T17:13:42.036-07:00Scott Squires makes some good points on this subj...Scott Squires makes some good points on this subject and offers a list of common sense business behaviors at his blog:<br /><br /><a href="http://effectscorner.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://effectscorner.blogspot.com/</a>Steven Kaplanhttp://www.animationguild.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-71934767882800097362010-08-20T17:12:50.214-07:002010-08-20T17:12:50.214-07:00"TAG, please stay out of the Visual Effects p..."TAG, please stay out of the Visual Effects profession. How dare you pass judgement when you can't support your own. "<br /><br />And you can?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-43805422229541866192010-08-20T15:37:44.028-07:002010-08-20T15:37:44.028-07:00That's all I'm saying.
These guys have t...That's all I'm saying. <br /><br />These guys have their own bills to pay. They're not going to work even two hours for free in hopes they might get the job.Floyd Normanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08635960964922892254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-27366040774500453152010-08-20T15:32:50.417-07:002010-08-20T15:32:50.417-07:00Anon 2:56 -
Please explain "can't suppo...Anon 2:56 - <br /><br />Please explain "can't support your own". Are you referring to the article that was posted here? Are you aware of TAG's jurisdiction? Are you just an internet troll meaning to spit venom and misinformation?Steven Kaplanhttp://www.animationguild.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-20595398162464563182010-08-20T14:56:07.291-07:002010-08-20T14:56:07.291-07:00TAG, please stay out of the Visual Effects profess...TAG, please stay out of the Visual Effects profession. How dare you pass judgement when you can't support your own.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-85468781183462804192010-08-20T14:14:40.838-07:002010-08-20T14:14:40.838-07:00No...it's not.
Did you ask them to try to do...No...it's not. <br /><br />Did you ask them to try to do a test, that took them 2 to 5 days, to see if they could do it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-44816189041248355032010-08-20T12:56:23.390-07:002010-08-20T12:56:23.390-07:00I dont know Floyd. When I had work done at my hou...I dont know Floyd. When I had work done at my house, I had three different electricians come over and give me a free estimate. If they couldnt clearly identify the (obvious, even to me) problem, I didnt hire them. The one who was the most courteous and professional and knowledgeable got the job.<br /><br />Isnt that the same thing?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-35214732087461987422010-08-20T11:32:53.963-07:002010-08-20T11:32:53.963-07:00whats amazing here is not so much that ppl are wil...whats amazing here is not so much that ppl are willing to work for free, but the fact they are willing to work for free on Piranha 3d and Journey to Center of the Earth!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-43115628072753273042010-08-20T10:35:45.132-07:002010-08-20T10:35:45.132-07:00Plus, I'm damn sure these executives don't...Plus, I'm damn sure these executives don't tell their plumber to take a test before they start to unclog their toilet.<br /><br />Learn to stand up, people.Floyd Normanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08635960964922892254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-15575656585644936762010-08-20T10:22:43.361-07:002010-08-20T10:22:43.361-07:00Im treating it like all other trades would treat i...Im treating it like all other trades would treat it. e.g you cant tell a "plumber", to unclogged the toilet in a mansion and hang out in the jacuzzi but not get paid. He'll tell you to go to hell. Everyone's gotta eatAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-92061497059781517972010-08-20T09:32:14.674-07:002010-08-20T09:32:14.674-07:00Kudos Anon 7:49am. If more artists worked like th...Kudos Anon 7:49am. If more artists worked like that, situations of this nature wouldn't be such common behavior. <br /><br />However, the desire to be working and to believe that the employer has your best interest at heart can lead even the most self-interested artist to believe all is right with the world. I don't blame Manny Wong for being production-minded and wanting to get the work done. Its hard to blame the artist for being .. an artist. Whats a shame is when artists have to act like business people too.Steven Kaplanhttp://www.animationguild.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22906998.post-44140311942480564112010-08-20T07:49:10.009-07:002010-08-20T07:49:10.009-07:00This is interesting.
"One of the unpaid arti...This is interesting.<br /><br />"One of the unpaid artists, Manny Wong, told Variety that with the Meteor incident in mind, he negotiated a payment-in-advance deal, but upon arrival in Montreal, he liked the atmosphere at Fake enough to forego advance payment. He says the producer was "very upfront" with him about the pic's financial difficulties through two crises that threatened to shut down the picture."<br /><br />I like working at fun places, too, but if there's no money, I don't care if it's friggin Disneyland and I'm sitting in Minnie's lap, I'm walking.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com