Thursday, December 29, 2011

Declining

Which, of course, is not good ...

But the happy news is, foreign box office is robust. And animation plays a large part in all the global robustness, either enhancing live-action (Transformers, Roses of the Apes), or standing alone (Cars 2).

Worldwide, animation did quite nicely in 2011. Like for instance:

Kung Fu Panda 2 -- $665,692,281

Cars 2 -- $551,852,396

Rio -- $484,635,760

Puss in Boots -- $391,347,391 *

The Adventures of Tintin -- $270,872,000 *

Rango -- $245,155,348

With all the varied entertainment choices -- cable television, video games, the internet, apps on the smart phones -- it's not surprising that theatrical movies have gotten a smaller slice of the overall pie. Even so, it's a shame.

* Still out there, raking in the moolah.

54 comments:

Anonymous said...

2011 still seems to have done better than many of the previous years. Was that due solely because of higher nominal prices for movie tickets? That is, did 2011 make more money at the box office than 2000 because movie tickets cost more than they did in 2000?

Anonymous said...

Disney's had a rough year except for Pirates 4. Mars Needs Moms bombed and the Muppets is a disappointment. Hopefully it'll get back on track with "Brave" - and I can't wait to see "Frozen" (The Snow Queen).

As for Dreamworks, it sucks we have to wait until 2014 to see the How To Train Your Dragon sequel. That's the only Dreamworks movie I've heard about that I have any interest in.

Anonymous said...

Muppets is exceeding Disney's hopes and there will be a sequel.

Anonymous said...

No surprises here, audiences have been in decline for a while. The studio gimmicks have run their course and 3D is on its way out as well. People want to see quality stories again, eye candy can only last for so long and with this prolonged type of economy no one can afford to take a chance on a bad movie.

Maybe when the country's back on its feet attendance may go back up.

Anonymous said...

"Muppets is exceeding Disney's hopes"

HA! Good one. It's a fun film that deserves to do better, but Disney's very disappointed in the box office results. There will be no "sequel." Just yet another Muppet movie....

Disney has the$340 million budget John Carter of Mars in March, but they don't seem to be holding their breath on that one.

And with 3 directors and 7 years spent on Brave, it better be good.

Anonymous said...

Hello, ticket prices. In a country suffering an economic crisis, in which the price of everything is holding or going down, the theater ticket prices are ballooning as if it were business as usual. Add the 3-D charge and it's box office suicide. Customers will never abandon the theaters, but it's near sighted arrogance and stupidity to take for granted that the level of attendance will always remain constant so that the obvious way to make more money is to raise prices.

Because of the cost of going to the movies, people are being more choosey about what they are willing to pay to see. It doesn't matter what you are charging for an empty seat. If they roll back the prices, they will fill the seats and, in the end, make more money. Yes, I do know about the bargain matinees. We need more of that. Also, make the 3-D charge a deposit. When customers return the glasses, give them a coupon for the charge that they can use the next time they buy a ticket.

Anonymous said...

And with 3 directors and 7 years spent on Brave, it better be good

3 directors? Wasn't it just Brenda Chapman and Mark Andrews?

Anonymous said...

Is a 4% decline in a bad economic year really surprising?

A mere 4% decline ought to be a good sign.

Anonymous said...

"HA! Good one. It's a fun film that deserves to do better, but Disney's very disappointed in the box office results. There will be no "sequel." Just yet another Muppet movie..."

Well I guess they're paying me to something else disguised as a Muppet Sequel.

Anonymous said...

^Liar. Go back to Muppet Central and tell them that. It'll make those nerds SO happy.

Anonymous said...

-> Mars Needs Moms bombed...


Please, not just bombed, it was the number one boxoffice bomb of all time!

GO DISNEY!

Anonymous said...

Getting behind Zemeckis and IMD's terrible films was one of Disney's biggest mistakes in the last several years. Animation should be left to WDAS ad Pixar

Anonymous said...

Muppets not only disappointed in the States, it tanked in Mexico. Viva la Kermie!

Anonymous said...

It's doubled its budget so far. Not a runaway hit, but not a flop.

No need to get all hyperbolic.

Anonymous said...

I also wonder why Dreamworks is delaying Dragon for so long, while lesser projects were scheduled ahead of it. Taking the edge off of audiences' appetites is maybe not a wise move in these tight financial times.

As for Muppets, it's not likely to make any kind of decent profit now. It MIGHT make around 80-85 million in the U.S., which is not "twice its budget" as per the above, from what I've heard (what about print and advertising?) The best thing you can say about it is: it's a solid underperformer. ;)

Anonymous said...

Muppets still hasn't had full foreign release - it'll do fine. definitely not a loss.

Anonymous said...

http://www.disneydigitalfiles.com/2011/11/disneys-muppets-success-more-muppets.html

This non anonymous guy disagrees with some here about the Muppets success and future.

Anonymous said...

^That press release was put out before the film dropped so hard in its second week (it was expected to top Twilight). There hasn't been a peep from Disney about a sequel since then. Speaking for myself, when I read an official announcement from Disney about a sequel, I'll believe it. As opposed to a lot of denial and wishful thinking floating around on the web.

Anonymous said...

Disney paid nearly $200 million for the Muppets. And after all the hype and hoopla, the characters haven't made the company a dime. Bad investment, Eisner.

Anonymous said...

Read the article again, second week doesn't matter in Hollywood. Despite the hate there will be more Muppets. Enjoy...

Anonymous said...

^"Second week doesn't matter in Hollywood"? You've never heard of the term "front-loaded", apparently. The second-week drop indicated that the Muppets have a very small, older-skewing audience, which is not a prime merchandising demo as far as Disney is concerned, and is a far cry from the bounty that other, OLDER franchises like the Chipmunks and Smurfs delivered during THEIR revivals.

There's also the fact that despite the Muppet movie's "success", Disney has fired several of the key marketing people behind it. How do you explain that?

If you're so certain there will be more Muppet movies, prove it. I'd like to see you try, since the box office numbers aren't backing you up.


Well, keep clinging to your delusion. Enjoy...

Anonymous said...

Muppets were not the reason they were fired. http://www.thewrap.com/movies/column-post/disney-seeks-replace-marketing-chief-mt-carney-exclusive-33199

And as far as proving that there will be more Muppets, just wait till next Spring after Europe and other markets get to throw lucre into the pot. Ever wonder why there's going to be a Percy Jackson and Ghost Rider Sequel?

Anonymous said...

Spin's a wonderful thing, isn't it? The Muppets tumbled 63% in its second week, thus signaling an underwhelming box office take, and that had nothing to do with MT Carney's firing. BS. It was just the final nail in her coffin.

And since you're quoting from websites, guess I'll do the same. http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/2011-by-the-numbers-the-year-in-box-office-flops. Specifically, here's what Indie Wire has to say about the Muppets' performance at the box office: "Somewhat worrisome? “The Muppets.” Sure, it’s only been in theaters since November 23, but the $45 million-dollar-costing Jason Segel-created ‘Muppet’ movie has only grossed an unimpressive $76 million so far in the U.S. Yes, it still has to open up internationally in several markets, but are those audiences going to care? The U.S. is where the ‘Muppets’ should have truly shone, and the fact that the holidays are coming to a close and “The Muppets” hasn’t surpassed the $100 million mark is a very bad sign for a company (Disney) that paid a hefty chunk of change to own the rights to this brand and franchise."

Oh, and why are Percy Jackson and Ghost Rider getting sequels? Maybe because they grossed $226,497,209 and $228,738,393 respectively?

Anonymous said...

Idiot Percy Jackson LOST money on it's domestic release and Ghost Rider netted 5 million domestic, and they both barely doubled their production cost on world wide distribution. Muppets will easily double it's production cost when it hits its full release.

And nice link to a blog where someone stated their opinion about the Muppets success, which at the time of the blog wasn't determined yet vs. a Disney Exec at the same time as quoted that there wlll be more Muppets. Where's your link to a blog stating that Disney Marketing Execs were fired because of the Muppets.

You keep spinning.

Anonymous said...

Numbskull, Percy Jackson and Ghost Rider will still have made more money than your felt idols ever will. "Easily double its production costs"? Who told you that? Madame Leota?

As for the Disney exec, he spoke BEFORE the Muppets tumbled after its opening, whereas the columnist I linked to commented after the movie'd been out a few more weeks. I think his perspective might be a bit more on the nose than the Disney shill.

Oh, and BTW, the Muppets took in a puny 1.7 million this Friday and has officially fallen off the top ten list - not even getting close to $100 million or making back its production and advertising budget in the States. Yep. Like the guy above stated, Disney is probably very disappointed with the Muppet movie. So much for its Thanksgiving tentpole flick.

Anonymous said...

We'll come back in spring after it has done well enough in the other markets and they officially announce another Muppets Movie and then you can just suck it.

Anonymous said...

Disney had to try and do something with the muppets they have been sitting on them for years. It was definitely a good attempt but with out the original creative team behind them it does seem to lack the same creativity that Jim gave them.

Anonymous said...

The muppets have never, ever done well internationally. Not to mention, the new film has already opened in the rest of the world--and tanked.

Anonymous said...

"Mars Needs Moms bombed...

Please, not just bombed, it was the number one boxoffice bomb of all time!"

Not quite--but it's in the top 10.

" Despite the hate there will be more Muppets."

There's no HATE for the muppets--just a common sense penchant for REALITY.

If John Carter flops, rich ross will follow Empty Carney out the door.

Anonymous said...

-- "Mars Needs Moms bombed...

-- Please, not just bombed, it was the number one boxoffice bomb of all time!"

- Not quite--but it's in the top 10.


In terms of boxoffice return on production budget, it is the biggest bomb ever made.

And that is just with the budget that they admit to of $150 million.

Anonymous said...

The muppets have never, ever done well internationally. Not to mention, the new film has already opened in the rest of the world--and tanked."

It hasn't even opened in Europe yet, nice try.

Anonymous said...

Mars needs moms is number 6 in terms of cost to returns, ww.

Anonymous said...

Enough about the Muppets already. Could we get back to what's important -- bashing Dreamworks?

AHH GOD I'M SO SICK OF SHREK ALREADY

Anonymous said...

^No worries. The only green critter deader than Shrek right now is Kermit.

But hopefully there'll be another Puss film. I really liked the first one (except for the weird ending.

SPOILER



Did Humpty die or not????)

Anonymous said...

**Oh, and BTW, the Muppets took in a puny 1.7 million this Friday**

Actually, 1.1 million. Even punier.

Anonymous said...

The Muppet's flopped. It's a cute movie for small children, but they're past their prime altogether. Lightening doesn't always strike twice.

Anonymous said...

The Muppets is an annoying movie, but it didn't flop, it just wasn't a huge success.

el diablo said...

all of this bikering over a 4.2% drop in ticket sales from last year? methinks it could've been much worse...



el diablo

Anonymous said...

Just read that the Muppets made 0.5 million in 13 foreign territories over the weekend. Only half a million in 13 countries? I guess "tanked" IS the word...

Anonymous said...

^Go ahead and cite your source and list the countries.

Anonymous said...

Here's the source, junior: https://twitter.com/#!/search/%20muppets%20international

You can ask Boxoffice.com yourself about the list of countries the Muppets is BOMBING in.

Anonymous said...

Your source is wrong sweetheart. It's only in 8 countries and in the top 5. You are a really shitty liar.

Steve Hulett said...

Such language!

Anonymous said...

^No kidding. And he/she/it is wrong, of course. Here's a bit more comprehensive breakdown of the puppets' foreign box office:

"In its sixth week of release, Disney’s The Muppets earned $500K from 13 markets, bringing its international total to $9.3M."

Source: http://www.boxoffice.com/latest-news/2012-01-02-international-box-office-the-girl-with-the-dragon-tattoo-draws-a-83m-punch

By comparison, the movie "We Bought A Zoo" took in 5.2 million in the same number of overseas markets, and Stephen Spielberg's "War Horse" has brought home 4 million from just TWO markets.

Again, only $500,000 from 13 markets = "tanking". Or you can use "flop", "bomb" "stinkeroo" if you like. Happy New Year! :D

Anonymous said...

Honestly you two should get a room. I've never seen to blowhards who so desperate to be right on something that nobody but you two give a shit about. Neither one of you know what the future of the franchise will be, other than you two won't be a part of it.

Anonymous said...

Aw, I'm just baiting the guy. I honestly *don't* give a shit about the Muppets. Their time has passed. But I don't like being called a liar, even by a troll.

Anonymous said...

Yeah I'm doing the same what she said. I hate the Muppets, but I hate know it alls even worse.

Anonymous said...

Oh yeah and guess which movie is +20.6% this weekend.

Anonymous said...

Who you calling a she?

And guess which movie is +45% and made more money in 3 weeks than the Muppets did in 6?

THE CHIPMUNKS!!! YEAH!!! CGI BEATS PUPPETS! HURRAY! MORE WORK FOR ANIMATORS!!!!

Anonymous said...

You both are douchebags. Or probably the same person who forgot their meds.

Anonymous said...

Actually, it's Kermit who's a douchebag: http://thegloss.com/sex-and-dating/that-kermit-what-a-douchebag-463/

Anonymous said...

Are we still talking about the muppets? For god's sakes they're not even animated!

Anonymous said...

True. And after that failed experiment of a film, hopefully Disney will direct its dollars to better and actually ANIMATED product.

Anonymous said...

SHUT THE FUCK UP ALL OF YOU!!!

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT GENERAL BOX OFFICE NOT ABOUT PUPPETS!!!

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