Friday, November 25, 2011

Goodbye Silver Disks

The Mouse hops on the Band Wagon.

Disney Launches YouTube Streaming Rentals, Including Pixar and DreamWorks Titles

... Google announced Wednesday that Walt Disney Studios has partnered with YouTube as the latest rental partner on the streaming video hub. ...

Once upon a time, my father-in-law had shelves and shelves of VHS tapes (remember those?), all arranged alphabetically. More recently, people have their DVD or Blu-ray collections. But those seem to be going away, just as VHS disappeared fifteen or twenty years ago.

For the studios and entertainment labor unions, this presents a bit of a problem. Corporate cash flows ... and resulting contract residuals ... are mostly dependent on lots of little silver disks being purchased and popped into home-viewing devices. Getting everything from "the cloud" floating through the internet cuts into all of that.

Streaming movies is a new source of cash, of course, but so far the new river of moolah doesn't replace the money all those little silver disks provided when America was buying them in bulk ... just a few short moments ago.

Technology develops as it will, and drags the marketplace along with it. And players who like the status quo have to grit their teeth and get with the new realities. Otherwise they get left on the side of the road.

22 comments:

good ol diablo said...

I hope dvd's don't fully dissapear, however, I already own so many, it wouldnt really affect me. As for the streaming thing, I really dont see how is that more convenient than dvd's or blu rays. How is it more convenient than simply pop in the disc and press play,according to your own schedule and the convenience of not having to be bombarded with commercials? Streaming is actually more expensive too!

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Anonymous said...

good ol diablo,

I don't know about anyone else, but since I had kids, DVDs have become a major problem with them getting ruined/ misplaced/ scratched to hell/ smudged with pizza grease/ etc.

Also, getting the cases out and putting them back when switching DVDs has become an issue in my house, so there's random DVDs everywhere.

I had longed hoped for an iTunes-type way to just have our movies all digital, and select what we want. This can't happen fast enough.

oldschool diablo said...

"Also, getting the cases out and putting them back when switching DVDs has become an issue in my house"
Thats an issue in YOUR home, so how is that relevant to the homes of other people like your truly? It's not an issue with me. You'll find a couple of cd's hanguing around, but the great majority of the movies I have are stored right after Im done viewing them. wether you have the latest, shiniest toy's, it seems in your case, they'll end up somewhere in the living room next to those dvd's. It depends on how much you apreciate your own things I guess...

Christopher M. Sobieniak said...

It's funny when people complain about owning these discs like it was not something they had to do at all, when I bet their parents, grandparents and great-grandparents all had to put up with music stored in giant vinyl or shellac discs themselves, and the collections they build over time.

As much as the whole 'cloud' thing is becoming this new thing people just can't get out of, I had to sound so pessimistic over simply feeling like we don't own anything anymore, regardless of whether it's ours or not, and I try to stay away from these matters since I'm sure my attitudes don't jive with the "hipster" set. that I don't belong in. They can go jump over the bridge for all I care.

Anonymous said...

I agree that complaining about kids messing up DVDs sounds pretty trivial. Hey, if it's such a mess, don't buy 'em so many.

Or else be glad you don't have to mess with fragile VHS tapes and their crappy cases, or heaven forbid, the old days where it was home movies with a finicky 8-mm projector or nothing. Remember when little kids didn't get to see movies till they were old enough to behave at theaters? When kids read and played instead of sucking on the glass teat of the flatscreen tv? God, we grow entitled so fast.

Anonymous said...

"just as VHS disappeared fifteen or twenty years ago."

Try not even 5 - 10. And you're encouraging them.

Christopher M. Sobieniak said...

Or else be glad you don't have to mess with fragile VHS tapes and their crappy cases, or heaven forbid, the old days where it was home movies with a finicky 8-mm projector or nothing.

I miss those days fondly. It's great learning how to operate those babies.

Remember when little kids didn't get to see movies till they were old enough to behave at theaters?

I guess my mom spoiled me rotten taking me to the "dollar theaters" all the time.

When kids read and played instead of sucking on the glass teat of the flatscreen tv? God, we grow entitled so fast.

We all wish they could get outside at all. I think society is forcing us inside most of the time.

Anonymous said...

We all wish they could get outside at all. I think society is forcing us inside most of the time.

If you mean that society is less safe, then I think this is a fallacy. The data shows that kids aren't less safe now than they were decades ago. The problem with our society is not that it's more dangerous or that there are more predators, it's that we're much more paranoid. Trying to raise children in germ-free environments and never letting them run around unsupervised does them no favors.

Anonymous said...

Nothing is more convenient than streaming. I don't get commercials and it's cheaper than buying dvds of all the movies I want to watch, especially if I just want to watch them once. Also I've allowed more space now to store art supplies.

I agree with anon 11:49, the whole kids ruining DVDs is a huge issue, especially since kids DVDs are the most sold.

As far as totally protecting the discs from my kids who are trying to become more independent, I find it is in all of our interests to have it streaming as I appreciate the happiness of my kids more, than material objects.

Anonymous said...

Problem with streaming is they don't stream true HD. As soon as they stream 1080P I'll get interested.

el diablo said...

"Nothing is more convenient than streaming. I don't get commercials and it's cheaper"

completely false!
First, you have to pay for internet access, right? what about the gadget you're using to view the movies? Ipad,for example,then, the netflix access fee, which, is very likely to go higher as soon as other dvd vendors close up shop, just like they did some months ago when they nearly doubled their subscription fees ass soon as Blockbuster went bankrupt. Second, the number of titles is very limited. Especially with hd content.
Nothing is more convenient than plopping the disc in the tray and pressing play.
Also, about the issue of messy kids...well...not a persuasive argument. That's more an issue of parenting style.
I'm not advocating that streaming be discontinued. Im advocating that dvd's should still be available to those of us who prefer them.

Anonymous said...

I'm not a liar Mr. Condescending. Internet access and Netflix streaming comes out to about $20.00 a month my DVD player gets streaming, and since you need a DVD player for DVDs we each have to buy a device so for $240.00 a year my family and I get 365 days of TV shows and movies. That's roughly the same price as 30 DVDs in the markdown bin.

My kids aren't messy and thanks for insulting my parenting. But they are more accident prone.

So continue with your insulting materialistic misanthropic attitude. Don't worry though your precious little discs will be around after you die.

Christopher M. Sobieniak said...

"Nothing is more convenient than streaming. I don't get commercials and it's cheaper"

completely false!


See what technology has done to us?

Also, about the issue of messy kids...well...not a persuasive argument. That's more an issue of parenting style.

It's been going on since the days of kiddie records!

el diablo malosso! said...

Oh, so now you play the victim card while at the same time firing an ad hominem. Booo-effing-hoo! Sounds like someone is against the wall. you can find blu ray players for 75 bucks these days. Go ahead use netflix, I aint stopping you.

Couldn't care less what you say about me, you don't know me, and I'm not a delicate flower who gets all "insulted" by a simple comment. Go to your corner and cry....

el diablo!!!

Anonymous said...

Your the cry baby "WAAA!!! Don't take away my beloved discs!!" You started the insulting discourse after a couple of us had a different point of view.

I'm responded to your insults on lack of caring for products, my parenting skills and my kids messiness.

I'm not advocating doing away with DVDs but merely stated how convenient streaming is and you respond with accusations, insults and misinformation. BTW You know that Blu-Rays can also stream, right?

I ain't crying, I'm laughing at a desperate fossil who doesn't understand new technology, the great thing is I know how to use both.

el diablo said...

"I'm responded to your insults on lack of caring for products, my parenting skills and my kids messiness."

Im not the one who introduced the issue of dissorganization!

"but since I had kids, DVDs have become a major problem with them getting ruined/ misplaced/ scratched to hell/ smudged with pizza grease/ etc. "

How is the prase "parenting style" an insult? thats ridiculous! grow up!

Again, you call me a dinosaur, while you don't know who the hell I am. A preference has nothing to do with knowing how to use technology! that's irrelevant...hahaha...what a moron!

waaa...accusations, insults and misinformation Waaa....


el diablo

Anonymous said...

Sorry I was watching a film on my IPod - you ever figure out how to get one of them there discs to work on that?

the future said...

el diablo has clearly never tried streaming, or all his arguments would be moot.

you say nothing is more convenient than "popping in a dvd"? you forgot the part about having to GO TO A STORE and buy that dvd. that's the whole point of streaming. you decide you want to watch a movie in the moment, and cue it up instantly. THAT'S MORE CONVENIENT.

and, if you like, you can put it on your ipad, ipod, iphone, computer, etc. so you can watch movies on your subway commute, or wherever you go. again, MORE CONVENIENT.

and your argument about having to sit through a bunch of ads? dude, there are no ads on streaming. you know what has ads? DVDs.

and cost? netflix streaming by itself costs $7.99 a month. netflix DVDs by themselves also cost $7.99. THERE IS NO PRICE DIFFERENCE. or you can rent or buy on itunes for basically the same rental/buy prices in the store: $2.99 rentals, $14.99 to own. again, THERE IS NO PRICE DIFFERENCE.

your argument about paying for hidden costs -- internet, devices needed to stream -- are also ridiculous. you clearly have a computer and internet connection already if you're posting here. so YOU'RE ALREADY PAYING the only hidden costs there are. yes, if you want to stream to your tv instead of computer, you can buy an appletv, or xbox... or you can go to monoprice.com and buy a cable that hooks up your computer to your tv for under a buck.

DVDs are dying, just like VHS, LPs, CDs, and every other form of physical media. there's just no need for them anymore, other than a curiosity when you visit grandma's house.

diablo said...

hey future kid....I don't care.

What diference does it for you if I "PREFFER" dvd's to streaming? I preffer dvs over streaming, do you get that concept? Its a matter of CHOICE! Is not a matter of knowing how to use new technology or about cost either. You may disagree with my points on cost. I think of it this way...you pay a year subscription for netflix, and at the end of the year you have NOTHING to show for. I at least have a disc I can watch over and over again. But put the cost argument aside. I simply preffer physical media over streaming. Why is this threatening to some people? How does my choice theaten your ego?

Anonymous said...

Nobody saying that you should prefer streaming. They're just pointing out how streaming is convenient, affordable and commercial free. All of these points you ignore which leave people to believe you do not understand streaming.

I like both. There are movies that are not available for streaming, and nobody offers bonus DVDs on streaming sights,as far as I know, so I'd choose DVDs for those.

For series, and children's shows, I'd have to spend a couple of thousand dollars to have those libraries, so for the cost of roughly 3 seasons of DVDs for one show per year, I get hundreds, and let's face it, no matter how much free time I have I couldn't watch them all.

On a side note I'm glad that studios are adding the digital versions so i can play them on mobile devices.

diablo said...

Nobody saying that you should prefer streaming. They're just pointing out how streaming is convenient, affordable and commercial free. All of these points you ignore which leave people to believe you do not understand streaming.

ok, someone at least makes some sense, and does not lob insults. Im not gonna agree with you on the cost side of things...I like the image and sound quality on dvd and blu ray better I can see the compression artifacts on netflix so Im not impressed, and you have to upgrade to a fast internet connection. I've had to deal with commercials on youtube and you get tons of free documentaries on documentaryheaven.com and a couple of other sites.

besides, when the "future" boy above calls my arguments stupid, he gives me license to dimiss his arguments.
Nobody's saying I should preffer streaming?, then why are they trying to shame me by mentioning old technology that is longer en vogue? I can still se vinyl around and stereophiles seem to preffer that medium. Tube amplifiers sound better, ask any guitar player,and high end vacuum tube amplifiers do sound way better than transistor amps. You still see those being sold in some places. Other commenters seem to think that I'm gonna be impreseed that they can stare at a movie in their tiny little screens. Guess what, Im not impressed at all,movies like Avatar an LOTR and many others are meant to be seen on a large format.
So I found a medium I like. It aint broke, no need to fix it.....

Anonymous said...

I agree with you that movies shot during the digital era look way better on DVD or BluRay and "Big" movies like the ones you mentioned definitely need to be seen on a bigger format with those technologies.

But older movies, TV shows and most kids fair are just not worth investing in the discs for me. And I only mention mobile devices as a way to keep me and the family entertained on road trips or when we're away where we have no other viewing choices.

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